The Stern report --

World reaction to yesterday's U.K. report .
A U.S. energy-industry spokesperson .... "fun with numbers," and
OPEC's secretary-general said it reflected "scenarios that have no foundations in either science or economics." Ouch.

Global warming may be a "political reality" - BUT if the adherents were seriuos maybe it should a different type of reality first.

If they were seriuos about motivating us they would report ad infintum on science forums , not some meetings for the wanna meets and getting politicians like gore and blair to convince us about what is truth.

then we come to the science facts.
Where are we ( you tell me if its any different )
---the seas are getting slightly warmer -- since we started measuring it ( yes)but it might go down again
---The air is getting slighly warmer ( i bet none really has a handle on that and what diiference does it make -- its less indicative than the oceans )
--Co2 are rising, but from very low levels historically and geologically
-- the effect of doubling of C02 on env is not clear
--anthromorphic factors such as raditaion reflection and CH4 can be xepecetd to be more important than Co2 ?


Those who voted at Kyoto have set themselves on tram to nowhere specifically important . If they are going to spend our money on the future I would rather it was their money!